Devotions with Dre Episode 25: Inner Healing: Holy Spirit Movement with Sarah Holcomb

Dre: [00:00:00] I'm taking a small break from the Revelation series that I've been teaching on my podcast to bring you an inner healing testimony. One because I wanna take a lot of time to dive into chapters three, four and five in Revelation because they are very. Heavy with information and I wanna take my time researching it before I geek out with all y'all on the next part of the Book of Revelation. 


And because I wanted, I've been wanting for a long time to interview more of my friends and acquaintances that I've been through amazing inner healing journeys, and my friend Sarah is one of those people that I've had on my heart to interview for a long time. So today's conversation is going to be about. 


How the Lord has brought her through a healing journey and is bringing her through a healing journey from a lot of different things in life. And my hope is that this interview can be helpful to many of us as we walk the path of discipleship with Christ because such a big part of that [00:01:00] is becoming healthy. 


In our inner world, in our soul, our emotions and how our mind works and all these things being renewed by the power of God. And Sarah has a podcast called Sincerely God. It's a podcast all about hearing from the Lord, and I would love for you to check out her podcast as well. And of course, we're swapping interviews today, so I'll be on her podcast, she'll be on mine. 


So check that out. So Sarah. Holcomb as we get started, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself? 


Sarah: So I grew up in a small town. I'm a Christian, I'm a Jesus follower. I was raised in a Christian home, but I would say my, relationship with Jesus fluctuated throughout my life. I did the typical, like teenager when you're not forced to go to church in more, don't go to church, and then started seeking again, in college. 


And then really when I, we were gonna talk about healing. I realized that I had chronic pelvic pain once I got married, and that really drove me even more to just [00:02:00] seek a deeper relationship like. And we'll get into more into that, but I worked in corporate America basically my entire career until a couple years ago when I felt like God lead me to take a sabbatical, and I'm actually still in a kind of waiting process to see what exactly is next. 


But part of my story has absolutely been learning how to just. Recognize the way that God is speaking to me directly, and it's something that I'm really passionate about because it's been extremely transformational in my life, certainly in my healing, physical, and inner healing. And so that's the goal with the podcast, I share inspirational messages, but I also. 


I share different ways. There's so many different ways that God speaks to us. so I'm sure we'll talk a little bit about that too. But yes, so check out my podcast. I'm also gonna have an e-course coming out soon. Oh yeah. Discovering the ways that God is speaking to you. And again, all that same thing. 


It's definitely one of the areas that [00:03:00] I'm, passionate about, but I'm also passionate about healing. Absolutely. So you end up at a PU, which so did I, but we didn't know each other. You graduate in. 2005, 2005, and then you get married in 2007. That was a six year marriage. 


Dre: So you got divorced in 2013. And you found yourself in a place where now you realize that your chronic pain sufferer and that your marriage has fallen apart and. wasn't a, sounds like a great relationship that whole time anyway. So at that point in 2013, take us to the moment that you realized that you need healing from God. 


Sarah: So I had already been on like a healing journey, I've always had some pelvic pain issues, but I didn't fully recognize until I got married. It took me a while to actually find what a correct diagnosis was like dealing with, pelvic pain. Honestly being a [00:04:00] female in the medical system, it's it was a horrible journey, but it took me a couple years. 


I finally found at least a partial correct diagnosis started on a path towards that, but it wasn't a quick fix. It was definitely a process. And so I had already been on a healing journey from the perspective of physical healing. I, viewed like our marriage, the difficulties, like what I did is I viewed. 


The difficulties in our sexual relationship as being because of my problems, which in hindsight that was not the correct view, but at the moment I did, and then I viewed our marriage problems as, really being centered around, it's because we don't have a good relationship in this aspect. And so I like it became everything to find healing, physical healing, to fix the issue because. 


I felt like the entire balance of my, relationship, my marriage weighed on it. And I, remember over time, like my, my prayers would be like for [00:05:00] healing, And then eventually they got to Lord, even if you can't, even if you don't heal this physical issue, just heal our marriage like. 


And so I had already been on that, but once the marriage was like taken outta the equation and I had like honestly a whole new layer of healing that was needed, right? I saw the physical, issues, but I had to heal from the way that the marriage ended. There was a lot of just bad stuff that occurred at the end, but then I also had to heal from frankly. 


The unhealthy relationship, and I had to be on the other side of that to even, in a way, recognize some of what was happening. So once I got through that. and even through the divorce, but was on the other side of that, piece of it, I really leaned in deep and I really took a more holistic approach. 


I was like, and I was already well on my [00:06:00] way from a okay, I know what diagnosis I'm doing, the things that I can from a western medicine perspective, but I really was trying to go deeper spiritually. I was, I started journaling my prayers, reading books. I was reading books like Present Over Perfect and Breaking Busy and just trying to, find a better way to live my life. 


And then I also started seeing a more like holistic, really spiritual healing therapist that it, just, I basically was like all the things. I wanna take a holistic approach because I need healing and I need it in all aspects of me, not just my body. 


Dre: What would you say to the TMS people, the mind body people that would look at your story and say that it's possible that the more you focused on needing to be free from a specific pain symptom, the more it mapped out that [00:07:00] feedback loop for that pain symptom between your brain and your body. 


Do you think that's possible ... 


Sarah: I definitely think that's possible. it's how our brains work, right? You know what? Whatever you focus on, I think there's power in what we believe, even from a spiritual perspective, that our beliefs that we put out there have an impact. 


Being able to like pinpoint here's how much this was. Like I also was, we, in our first break before I realized that the sound wasn't working, I was talking about how I. I was sacrificing myself for the sake of the marriage, like I was literally putting myself through physical pain. I put myself after the health of the marriage, and so how much worsening of my symptoms was because my focus on it versus the fact that I'm still. 


In the, bad marriage, I'm still putting myself in physical harm, like [00:08:00] There's so many different factors that I think all contribute to be able to say one is one or the other. Who knows? 


Dre: Yeah . It's interesting how, and I know we've talked about this before, how as Christian females, we pick up this message and, even sometimes it's explicitly taught that our main role, our main job and our main value is to be i n the context of a marriage where we are sacrificing ourselves. And it's so tricky because of course a huge part of Christian doctrine is the beautiful version of self-sacrifice demonstrated by Christ and to be emulated by every apprentice of him. And then there's the little twist that like bad theology slash probably the enemy puts on it that is more oppressive to c ertain groups than others, and a misunderstanding of submission, a misunderstanding of self-sacrifice, a misunderstanding of the covenant [00:09:00] of marriage really. And how many years it's taken me to unpack that even when I wasn't even, like I, I haven't been affected by it as severely as some other women I know, but the truth is, bad theology produces harm. 


And it is just one really clear example of that where we are told and expected to forgo our own rights, needs health, safety for the sake of fill in the blank. but usually it's an institution. So how did you change your mind on some of that afterwards? 


Sarah: I think I'm still working through a lot of it. 


Honestly. I think I know I. For me, like I, I needed to be out of that marriage in order to heal and become really the person that God created me to be. There's so many things, right? We, get stuff that is instilled in this at a [00:10:00] young age, right? You have these core beliefs that are created when you're a child, and I couldn't even tell you like this, okay? 


Because my parents were like this because this happened at school. I can't even say what the thing was, or it was probably many things, but. I didn't know my worth as a person. I didn't know my worth as a female. So when I, was constantly rejected by, boys in, school. And in hindsight, that's honestly probably because they were intimidated. 


But when I met my, ex-husband, it was like, Hey, a guy that like, I like and likes me. It wasn't does this person have all the, character traits that are appropriate and that are worthy of. Of me, I didn't value myself. And so that's been a huge part of the healing process that honestly is still in process to recognize my own value and. 


And all of these things that like, can be [00:11:00] intimidating to a man. like in school I always got good grades and I can be outspoken and, things that like that, that in our, patriarchal, society would say is not appropriate for a female. Those are how God created me and. And there is such innate value in who I am and in those characteristics. 


And I need to not make myself less just so that I can be accepted and valued by a man. Because our society says if you're not valued by a man, then you're not valued as a female. And that's still an unraveling for me. Like I haven't dated since. I got divorced, like it's been a long healing process. I had to heal from the way that the marriage ended because there was a lot of just negative things that happened. 


I had to heal from the unhealth of the relationship itself, and then it was like, how did I even get in that [00:12:00] situation to begin with? That's a whole other deep stuff of, healing from, and tho those are things that are still. God's still piecing out like the lie that I'm not enough. 


Dre: Talk to us a little bit about some ways that the Lord has eroded that lie over the last handful of years. 


Sarah: I think first recognizing it so many times, like these core beliefs that we have, their subconscious and. They drive so many of our behaviors, our decisions are like inner dialogue, but we don't necessarily recognize what the root lie is that we're believing. 


And so I've actually had moments where, you know, whether it's through listening to a speaker or a podcast or something that's guiding me through it or doing it on my own, but basically asking Hey, God. What's a lie that I'm believing and having that is what's coming up. You, the not [00:13:00] enough thing that I'm not enough. 


And that's so even when I've had moments where I'm like, okay, I recognize that's a lie and I'm gonna speak the truth in opposition to it. six months later, God, what's a lie that I'm believing I'm not enough? Okay. We get it's a process of unraveling it. But I think it's that for, okay, one example is in my healing journey as I really was seeking out a more holistic approach and like I, for the first time started experiencing the supernatural. I experienced my first gift of the Sprit and it was, actually physical movement, spontaneous movement in my body. We can talk more about that, but I saw a lot of actual physical changes like healing in my body through this gift. 


But for me, the bigger and which was amazing and like God is awesome and like awesome, but the bigger thing for me was having God make the supernatural commonplace it. It's like it [00:14:00] made his love for me real. So I always knew that God loved me, but through that supernatural experience, I knew that God loved me, not just in my mind, but in my heart. 


And that completely changed it. It changed like when you know, when you truly know, not just head knowledge. But with everything about you, you know that God loves you. That's what starts eroding the lie. That says you're not enough. That's what starts eroding the lie that says, your value is only found in the value that other people, the opinions of other people and just that was a moment where I really experience God's love at a deeper level. It's like there's always a deeper level, and so the more that I have. Like just grown in my relationship, deepen that relationship, been able to, experience God's love in new ways, in deeper ways, in more [00:15:00] expansive ways. 


That's probably the biggest thing that erodes that lie. Yes, there's other things that I can see and just how I live my life and people in my life and perspectives and yes, reading books and all the thing, everything. Like I, there was a lot. All of those are important, but ultimately the root is being able to truly know, not just head, no believe, think, but like with everything about yourself know that God loves you. 


Dre: It's his love that heals us. He's powerful. He's all knowing. He is our maker. He's all those other things, but it's his love that heals us. 


Sarah: Yeah . and if you think about right though it, I am not enough is a lie. And his truth is what is overcoming those lies. And so much of it, is rooted in a fear and his perfect love cast out a fear. 


So it's so much of our, especially if we're talking about inner healing, all [00:16:00] of it is gonna be around, one of those two things lies and fears. And so of course it's gonna be receiving god's love and new levels that's going to bring that healing. 


Dre: Do you think that you had PTSD. 


Sarah: I still have PTSD. 


Absolutely. 


Dre: How does that show itself sometimes? 


Sarah: I think I, still experience, like from an anxiety, I'll have physical symptoms of, even, when it comes to the chronic pain, right? I sit, I have to have a seat cushion. I still deal with symptoms of that pain. There's been significant improvement, but I, almost have to catch myself to sometimes like saying intentionally I am safe. If I can feel the pain levels starting to increase of I'm worried about, I'm gonna sit for a long period, is that gonna cause me pain? It's, that's a PTSD response because in the past, sitting too long, I would have a flare of pain. And so it's like that reminding like, no, I'm safe. I don't need to have a [00:17:00] trauma response. 


But in a relationships, perspective, relationships with men, like God has been doing a long process of healing relationships with men. Like when I first went through my divorce, so my ex-husband, I never really had good relationships with men to begin with. Then I didn't have a great relationship with my ex-husband, and then he was very jealous. 


So I honestly didn't have very many guy friends, certainly nobody that I would consider close. And so when I first went through my divorce, that was almost the first step, like to just heal this aspect of myself. God brought what I would call like safe guy friends into my life. Most of them were coworkers that I could just learn how to be vulnerable as a friend. 


I felt super unsafe to even, I still remember one time where it was, my boss and one of the peer managers were two major people that God brought in to like just, be friends. And I was a manager, so it's you can't like vent to your [00:18:00] employees. You have to invent, you have to vent when there's stuff that comes up to like your same level or above. 


And so they were like my, people when something frustrating would happen at work, it was like there, there's the two of them would be who I would reach out to and they were both at a conference away. And something happened that I was like, oh, I need to talk to them. And so I remember sending them an email and just saying, I miss you. 


And that was so hard. Today, of course I'm gonna say Dre, I miss you. Like it's not a big deal. But that was huge for me. And one of 'em responded like, haha, we knew you would like, it wasn't a big deal to them, but to me it was huge. So there's been so much so to. To put me in situations to bring men into my life who could be that next level of, okay, now we're going to heal this type of, relationship, this type of friendship. 


I, even recently, the last probably few years of starting to have friendships with [00:19:00] unmarried men. Still purely friendships, but it brings a different dynamic and it brings more PTSD. And so it's like putting myself in those situations and allowing God to lean me forward, to start to be more vulnerable because that's the ultimate goal is to, know that I am enough, 100% of authentically myself, and that I am loved. 


I'm enough exactly like that. And so it's been a baby step process of okay. Now be in this situation and be, fully yourself. Okay. How did that go? Okay. And that even if they don't respond well, how, and it, were you able to stay centered in you? Yeah. In the Lord, and, I will say not always, there was certainly some turmoil. 


Dre: So is what you're saying is we are hurt in community, but we are also healed in community? 


Sarah: Yes. I think there's an aspect of [00:20:00] I talked about I needed to be out of the broken marriage in order to heal. So there are like, I don't, I would say not always, but often it's, very difficult to be healed in broken community. 


So yeah. When you're broken in community, you may need to get a new community. In order to do that h ealing. And then there is so much that's done between you and God. But I also think it depends on like temperament, personality. I am an introvert. I am an internal processor. Like so much of my healing has been either one-on-one or with myself with God, and it's super hard for me to be vulnerable with, especially with more than one person. So I think they're, some temp temperament personalities, they're gonna do better and probably have a more accelerated healing less on their own. 


Dre: Yeah. It's almost like he knows us and works with [00:21:00] how we're wired. 


Yeah. I think I, I see that in people's stories, how it is this perfect father who knows his children and what they need and it's different and something that can be so profound and impactful. And bringing one of my friends to tears would just be like weird to me or not matter, but it was like this thing that mattered so much to them. 


And then vice versa, like I'll geek out about the randomest stuff and my friends will be like. Okay, cool. like that's great for you. But I'm like, no, this is the Lord speaking to me. Like you don't understand this happened and then this happened and, but he knows how to talk to me. It's so beautiful. Yeah. We are all each fully known. So any other stories about how. The Lord has been healing your heart along the way, or any miraculous moments or any profound conversations or any other divine interventions that come to mind with regards to relational healing and healing from physical pain, healing from trauma? 


Sarah: I'm [00:22:00] definitely the, most significant, just in my, healing journey was when I first started experiencing that gift to the spirit myself. But before I experienced that, so like when I was really taking this more holistic approach to really physical healing, but overall healing. And I was seeing a, she's a physical therapist, but she combines really spiritual healing. 


And I, had, multiple sessions with her, but in one particular session she would always tell me like, if anything comes to mind, share it. And so I think it was like. Repeating three times before I finally was like, oh yeah, she told me I should share this. It was the scripture. Surely goodness and mercy shall follow you all the days of your life and you should well in the house of the Lord forever. 


One of the Psalms, I don't remember which one, and as I was telling her aloud of what had been playing in my thoughts in my mind. She started responding and what she thought it meant in that moment. And as she's talking to me, I get this [00:23:00] wave of tingling sensation from my head down to my toes. 


And then I just start crying. And at the moment that happened, she had one hand. I was like laying on my side on a table or like on a therapy table, whatever. And she had one hand on my hip and the other hand on my heel. And after that experience. I could feel a difference in the tension between my right hip and my left hip. 


I, I, at that time, I sat a lot for work, helped hold a lot of tension in my hip flexors. And so that was a, like the, first time I had a clear manifestation of this connection between mind, body, spirit, this connection of, okay, there's emotional stuff that is stored up in my body and. In order to release it and to get healing in my body, I actually need to feel and [00:24:00] allow these emotions to flow. 


And so that was, I would say, a significant moment. Not that I experienced like so much dramatic healing or like even was aware of a, like what I was releasing in that moment, but it was just the first representation where I could see Okay, this is starting to make sense. And then that's been a huge part of my healing journey. 


And like what, like I'll talk about all day of just mind, body, spirit and I talk about how like I lived up until that point, I basically lived my life a hundred percent in my mind, viewing my body as a machine and didn't even consider the fact that I was also spirit. And now I recognize like just as we're created in the image of God, father, son, holy Spirit, that we're mind, body, spirit and just like we can't fully understand how God can be distinctly the each one and yet altogether one, like that's, true for us and my body in [00:25:00] pain is my body trying to get my tension. 


And honestly, it could be trying to get my attention because there's something going on in my own, in my mind, or my spirit or my heart or emotions, just recognizing like now I recognize that to be a healthy whole person, each one of those parts needs to be healthy and whole, and there needs to be this free flowing across all of them. 


That's been a huge part of my healing journey and how I've seen as much, even physical healing that I've seen, the physical healing that I've had, like I did start seeing physical healing when I started doing physical, like regular physical therapy for the pelvic floor issues. But the most dramatic healing that I've seen over time has been through that understanding and holistic approaches. 


Of this mind, body, spirit. And experiencing physical manifestations of healing really because of a spiritual processing, like Releasing of stuff. Really? 


Dre: Yeah. That's huge. [00:26:00] Healing is integration. So healing is like this part of you that hates vulnerability. Finally getting along with this part of you that, like it's reintegrating into a whole self and being able to lead all your, the parts of you in, a healthy direction and in peace. 


I can relate to a lot of that, just it's almost like workaholism, like my mind is the boss and productivity at all costs, or, result at all costs, whatever result is at the moment. And being able to say, wait, Because God loves me unconditionally, this has implications for how I approach my life, my work, my time, my thoughts, how I regard myself. 


I do not have to prove myself. I do not have to earn approval or affection, and I can rest in the knowledge of how he's found me to be valuable enough to die for and bring, do [00:27:00] what it took to bring me back to himself or to reconcile. And that's the ultimate reconciliation, the ministry of reconciliation that we're like entrusted to right is us and God, but then it's also reconciliation within ourselves. 


All these experiences, emotions, and every type of thing we carry from walking through a broken world, we, it's not too much like for how like God can handle it kind of thing, and like how he's created us can handle it. We're actually wired to heal and it's a cool process to observe and to hear about. 


So thank you for sharing some of it. 


Sarah: I feel like we could go for hours talking about some of this stuff. 


Dre: I know we'll have to revisit a lot of those topics. We touched on a lot of topics, but maybe that's a word for somebody listening today that. Just like Sarah has been discovering this kind of acceptance on deeper levels and worth and value on deeper levels, that is the antidote to shame. 


That is the antidote to work holism. [00:28:00] That is the antidote to alcoholism. That is the antidote to the, so all these are like solutions that our subconscious mind is trying to throw at the thing, but the actual solution is the love of God. There's no striving because you are already in the family. You're in, you're good. 


You're made whole, right? So inner healing is the process of entering into his rest, meaning have your seat at the table. Everything's provided for you. The father is welcoming you. He has thrown a party because you're back. All you have to do is sit at the table and partake, but sometimes that's the hardest thing to do. 


'cause we're like, no, I have to earn it and I have to work and I have, no, you're already healed. just, let everything catch up to the fact that he already has got this. Yeah. worked out. 


Sarah: And even, in the [00:29:00] church we can talk about we prove our love by our obedience and sinning is bad and all the things. 


God has told me he is not concerned about what mistakes we make. He's not concerned about how many times we sin. What he's concerned about is how many times we come to him, all he cares about really. Is our connection to him, our relation to him. If you think about I don't have any kids of my own, but you think about a parent to a child, are you concerned about the toddler that threw the tantrum or the fact that the toddler is now in your arms? 


if we can recognize that, God loves us so much that all he wants. Is to be in this relationship with you, in this connection with you. And so every time we get hung up on one of those things, that's just a lie. That's just a fear. That's just something that his love is intended to replace. Yeah. 


Dre: Yep. Yeah. I'm like, bring your rain God. [00:30:00] let your love wash over us. Your people need to be close to you and experience the unmatched power of the love of the father. 


So what is the gift of movement? Talk about that. 


Sarah: Okay, so I used to refer to it as like speaking in tongues with my whole body. 


If you think about speaking in tongues, I don't know, you probably have a broad range of listeners, but one of the gifts of the spirits that is actually listed out in the Bible is the gift of tongues, which would be languages. Like basically it's using your mouth, it's using your tongue, it's using your vocal cords. 


To create sound by the spirit. Like you're not telling your mouth to move the way that it's moving. You're not telling your like, So just imagine that, but multiplied by your entire body. So it started slowly and small and, I would really have to get into a restful, like meditative state. [00:31:00] But the more that I did it, like honestly, if I just sit still or stand still and like in full rest, I'll start just moving. 


So it's something that initially when I first started experiencing it, I, the. The person who shared those spiritual healing sessions with me, she had the same gift. And so when I, first experienced it, I think if I didn't know her story, I probably would've, I still did freak out, but I would've really freaked out and I would've stopped it. 


But because I knew her personal story, I could allow it to flow. And then I had so many things of just God like showing me. That it was him, that it gave me full peace to just lean into it. And I went through a period at the beginning where I would spend, so with chronic pain, I would spend usually an hour before bed, I would do stretches. 


I had a foam roller that I would massage, like try to undo the tension of the day [00:32:00] to help me sleep better. when I first started experiencing this movement in my body, I would take that hour and instead I would basically just. Still my mind and allow Holy Spirit to move my body. And I describe it as like having the best personal trainer, chiropractor, physical therapist. 


It was like I experienced physical healing in my body that honestly, all of the methods, it wasn't like this immediate, like all your cells are perfectly aligned, like you're healed. No, it was a process that. You could go to physical therapy and do these exercises and get to it, but it was perfection. 


So for example, I've had, I've dealt with low back pain. I have something, I had something called lordosis or sway back where your low back is like extra curved and that. Is a postural issue that like contributed to all of my pain. All the kinds of issues from since high school. I've been to chiropractors, physical therapists, they [00:33:00] would always gimme exercises to strengthen my core muscles because that was the main issue is my core muscles weren't strong enough to support my spine and my overall body in a healthy posture. 


Anytime I would do any of the exercises that they would give me. I would always flare my tailbone pain to a point where I couldn't continue them. Yeah. And it's when I hit all those catch 20 twos, like when you're doing an exercise, right? Like you need to use the exact right muscles in the exact right way and not any additional ones. 


Otherwise you can flare and so couldn't, like when you talk about neural pathways. It didn't exist for my mind to be able to get my body to do exactly what it needed to do without also recruiting other muscles that would then flare pain. In three months time of spending an hour a day, I did. I would do core strength and this is all my mind is completely observant, right? Like I'm watching my body do these things going. I'm like, this is really interesting. I could stop it at any time, but if I allow [00:34:00] it, my body would do all kinds of things. I would get in super deep stretches, fascial stretch stretches. I would do core strengthening exercises like all of these things. 


In the matter of three months, I grew an inch and a half, wow, my spine straightened. I no longer have lordosis. I didn't realize like how strong my back muscles were supposed to be. But it was because I had this perfect chiropractor, physical therapist, personal trainer, all working in my body. So it was like, it was still this process of like how our natural bodies work, but it was done in perfection to where I could, heal in that process. 


So I don't know, it's, I don't know a lot of people that have the gift, but I do seek glimpses of it, of. usually during like music worship, especially if you're in a more charismatic environment, I've noticed people will have similar movements, but maybe it'll only be like in their hand or, whereas I'm like, full body. 


Dre: Yeah. [00:35:00] Yeah. I, was more charismatic before I came to the church where we met and. I certainly encounter people with the gifted movement, so you bring up some important points about spiritual gifts. When you make space for it and you decide to operate in it, they, it becomes more accessible. You get more connected to it. 


It becomes stronger in many cases, and that shows that we have a certain amount of agency and which gifts we are activating. That's not to say that you can just wake up one day and decide that you have the gift of, I don't know what's like. Apostleship or evangelism or, I don't know, healing. like you can't just be like, okay, I am deciding that I have the gift of tongues right now. 


And it's okay, no. Sometimes there's a process involved. Sometimes the Lord will steer you in a different direction or highlight a different gift. So please always submit to God in everything. But I think the assumption sometimes in the Western, not super charismatic [00:36:00] church world is that you may have one gift, potentially two. 


And I wanna challenge that assumption because it's not scriptural. Paul, when he talks about some may have the gift of this, let everybody, he's not saying exclusively. You're exclusively a teacher. He's just naming gifts to give examples of how they work together and, harmonize My experience, and this is where my curiosity currently is since we have the Holy Spirit indwelling us, and the Holy Spirit is the source of literally all supernatural gifts, unless they're counterfeit. We could talk about that later, but all the real, holy ones then, do you not have access to whatever he decides at any given moment? I could have a season in my life where I have more of a gift of generosity or a gift of helps, even though that's not typically my main ones. 


And likewise, if I'm like earnestly desiring as we're commanded to do. Gifts [00:37:00] and being open to them then the Holy Spirit within me may just go ahead and activate more gifts or a higher degree of a gift. So that's my experience. I know it gets, argued about a lot, especially with tongues. 'cause there's certain churches that like try to force tongues on everyone. 


And then there's other churches that are like, absolutely not. That's weird. And in the middle is the biblical example that we're encouraged to in gatherings, include people who do speak in tongues but not make it the main thing because you can't understand what they're saying. So there's an order to this gift that it has to proper place in the body of Christ as an example. 


But, as far as every spiritual gift, there's an openness that often has to happen in our hearts. That's one of the main catalysts. And with the gift of movement. You've encouraged me. 'cause I technically have it, but I haven't sat for an hour every night and let it go. Have I done that on occasion? 


Yes. Has it gotten rid of pain in my body? Yes. [00:38:00] I know it's real. It's just, I, guess I, I haven't prioritized it as much as you. 


Sarah: That may also be why, when I say I don't know a lot of people who have the gift. It's not taught as a gift. So probably a lot more people have it. they just don't recognize it to be able to earnestly desire and create space for it. So bring back the gift of movement. Yes. I see it. 


Dre: It's okay to be a little weird guys. 


Sarah: Or a lot weird. 


Dre: The other thing I wanted to, and maybe we can end with this just as a more lighthearted interesting, miraculous story. Can I share the time where your gift of movement and my gift of discernment kept working together at that one girl's house, we, won't say who's the person was, but we were praying in a house... 


Sarah: yes, of course. 


Dre: So the Lord has confirmed to me and Sarah a lot of times that we are supposed to do ministry together in different ways. Of course, this podcast is part of that, but also, we used to be on a prayer team that would occasionally go to people's houses if they were [00:39:00] experiencing any sort of weirdness or unrest or anything they thought might be spiritual. 


So people would call our church, and then we would go out on this little team and we would explain what we're doing and the people would be like, okay, do whatever because I, this is scaring me, or whatever. So they would give us like, do it be weird. And in one of those. Instances I kept being like, I would have my eyes closed, we were in these different rooms in this house. 'cause it was a house where we went to almost every room besides the garage. And we'd go into a room and I'd close my eyes and we'd be praying and I would get a visual or a knowing about something specific. And then I'd open my eyes and Sarah would be using the gift of movement to be walking to that very thing that I was thinking we should go to next or pointing to. 


So there was like one room where I literally, I don't remember how this exactly came about, but talking about the bathroom. Oh, the bath. Yeah. tell the, [00:40:00] first, this, the downstairs one happened because it was like. We went into this one room where there was a lot of paranormal activity that was unpleasant had been happening and it was a kid's room. So that's like super not okay. Like I'm just offended that the enemy would even think that he could do that. So it was like coming out of my mouth. is there anything that might be in this room that might have any connection to like any, I was trying to ask a question like that. 


And your arm just goes like this and you like point to the closet, like the top shelf of the closet. And then the parent was like, our dog's ashes are right there in the closet. And we were like. I think you need to move them. You need to get 'em out. I think you prayed over that. Yeah, or we prayed over him something. 


We decided whatever the Holy Spirit led us to do about that, to disarm whatever connection that the enemy was trying to use that for. Whether it was just an in instru, an indicator of death, or whether the person that did the ashes was occult practicing or something. We don't know. Anyway, so th that we felt like that got resolved. 


And so we were upstairs [00:41:00] later, and again, I saw we had our eyes closed, we'd entered into the master bedroom and it was very like spiritually, like I was like buzzing inside, like totally creeped out. So whoever had lived there before was like, definitely. Yikes. And I, we were in the bedroom and I, was like seeing that the bathroom mirror used to have an altar or like a, yeah, where people put stuff around the frame of the mirror and like light candles and do spiritism. 


Basically. I like saw it in my mind's eye and then I opened my eyes and I'm about to say, oh, we need to move towards the restroom. Sarah's already walking towards that exact mirror. But she doesn't know why. 


Sarah: Right I don't get any of the, now I'm, I've, grown in those other gifts. 


But at the time. She any knowing, I don't see anything like, I don't have any knowledge, but my body is moving myself over here. 


Dre: But it was confirming to me, 'cause I second guess myself sometimes, and I'm like, she's, we're on the same [00:42:00] page. and we've been praying for people and we've I've seen God doing something and then I've opened my eyes and she's enacting it physically. 


Whether it's like pulling something out of their back or like just whatever. there's so many examples, but it's cool how the gifts work together. 


Sarah: Yeah. and you had, put in the pre-questions what's one of my favorite things to do really my favorite thing is, that right? Using our gifts, like being with a, small group that is people I trust who are connected to Holy Spirit, that, that have their own unique gifting set, 


that are, we have similarities in some of them, but typically there's a primary one that we're operating in, at least in that moment. And to see them all work together. For whether it's God's benefit for something greater or the benefit of a specific person that we're praying for. I'm telling you that's like my favorite thing.. It's like the coolest, most incredible [00:43:00] to, because you cannot deny the Holy Spirit presence. You cannot deny that God exists in each one of us. When. we're speaking things, we're doing things, we're enacting things that look in a different way, but are all a hundred percent unified because it's all from one Holy Spirit. 


Like we're basically living out like Paul's description of how the gifts are all from one spirit. It's, yeah. It's super cool. 


Dre: That is super cool. I love that you love prayer ministry so much. And like, praying for other people's healing, championing other people's healing, championing the, adventure of hearing from the Lord. 


So let me end by saying this. If you feel like you need inner healing and you would like to connect with us, please connect with us. I'm not saying we have all the answers. But we love this topic and we've seen God do it, and we have faith that he will do it in your life too. So if that's everything from just saying, Hey, pray for me, I can't tell you why, to how do I get a session with [00:44:00] Sarah to literally pray for me in person? Like any, and all of that, just reach out to us. 'cause don't walk through this process alone. There's people who have been through inner healing with the Lord and who are eager to share with you how that might look. So God bless you guys.